crap it's ended

[jasp]

Originally posted by fie@Jun 14 2004, 03:23 AM
it would be fair if the people who submitted didn't mind... but after posting that i was reading the threads and saw that several people posted that "4 weeks is too long" so i didn't figure it would happen... although someone did say something about people like me who come in too late.

Well, if all people would do it your way, thes contest would never end because there would be always somebody who says "damn, wait few weeks for me so i can finish my app". I think deadline is a deadline.

I woudn't work 2 days before the deadline 10 hours per day (and many many hours last week) if i coud send my app 3 weeks later in. I hope that you get my point?

[CYBER_Aeon]

I like Costra's idea of getting the submitters together to work on a more featureful editor - I'd love to pitch a hand in on a project, as long as it stays OpenSource. I have a fairly good enviroment thats partially built, but I dont have anything fancy for the editor itself. I was going to counteract that by adding the ability to track 'Projects' with it, and use PHP to copy/post the project directory to another directory on the server, or better yet - FTP it to a remote server.

If somebody seriously wants to start this, lemme know. - cyber_aeon@hotmail.com

[Costra]

Well, I expected that it would be and stay OpenSource. I'd prefer BSD licence most, it's the most liberal licence.
But maybe it's too early to discuss the licence, when the project didn't start as yet

Anyway it's fine to know, that you would be interested.

[jasp]

I'm also quite intrested in this project, but i'd say: let's wait for the results of this contest, then lets create a team and pick the best parts of all editors and kinda build a one prog from them.

I too have a quite nice enviroment build for my entry...but lets just wait for the results...

[Costra]

Sure, I agree, let's wait. I just have developed some new features and ideas, not contained in my entry (tabbed editing etc.).

BTW. anybody knows how long it usually takes to announce the results?

[jasp]

I think Stuart knows
Its up to him to annouce a winner, i hope he won't wait too long :P

[stuart]

Hey, great idea... a colaborated project would certainly put the iceing on the cake... Stay tuned I hope to finish the testing and announce before the end of the week

[cryonax]

This is funny, because I was thinking of putting Mephit on SourceForge. Thinking very seriously, but when I saw this topic I decided to wait a bit and see what comes out of this.

However, let's not jump to conclusions. A collaborated project would be great, but... what project, exactly? It's no use gathering up and writing together an "online PHP editor". Why? Because nobody really needs an editor in itself. People need an online system to manage the files on their site, to make some changes to their PHP code on a working site, etc.

That's why I see no reason to create an editor that uses a database, as opposed to working on the filesystem. Because if I need to write my scripts first and then deploy them, I may as well use Zend Studio or whatever.
That's why I see no reason doing a technologically advanced, complex, XUL-based solution, because it won't work on the net's most popular (although most buggy ) browser. But XUL is good actually... maybe as an option?

Generally, I see no reason doing a technically advanced system that is actually useless to the end user. And I'm afraid saw a bit of this kind of thinking back at the first part of the contest. Remember that you can't compete with a desktop editor (editing functionality), or with CVS (group work). The only advantage that you can offer is online editing, i.e. live editing. Mephit was actually used to correct/change its own source code, on a running site. And it was much faster than running Putty and then vi through SSH.

Anyway, let's start with the question "what to do", rather than "how to do". I say that to make any such project successful we need:
- directory browsing
- file management (creating, deleting, blah, blah)
- upload and download (also compressed directories)
- viewing files of different types, not only PHP
- editing text files
- special features for editing PHP

I would like to see some demos of the applications submitted to the last contest, to see what they actually offer. Mephit is still available, so you can all see what it does. Mephit has only basic PHP editing functionality, and upload/download is not implemented in anything I've seen at the contest, but the rest is already done, and done well.

For me it would be simplest if I put it on SourceForge and those who wanted to cooperate joined the project. This way it can be started immediately. But I want to know your opinion.

[Costra]

2cryonax:
Well, you're absolutely right, that first we need to know "what to do", and you're right with the answers.
We need strong but secure file manager (I mean much more user friendly and easier than some ftp, scp or sftp access).
It should be able to upload/download/create/move/copy files, and may contain usefull functions (for example. when moving a file, check others for dependencies - links/includes and relink).
Because of this features I would call it not File manager but project manager - it needs and may use additional info like PHP path or apache visibility.

About editing/viewing - this could be merged for textfiles. Editing using XUL might be good. There are some editind features in IE too. I developed some editing
only with JS DOM and DHTML, that is available in Mozilla, IE and Opera as well, that can have (and have ) syntax basic PHP highlighting capabilities and may be extended to support any other.

What would be VERY important for editor, is file locking and maybe versioning. Server side CVS support may not be bad idea.

I'l try to send you URL to my submission to the contest and some other things I played with.

I've checked your mephit out. It seems to me very strong in file management definitely. Before starting this (if we will) we should discuss a bit some desired architecture.

I agree, the main reason for this "IDE" is the ease of editing/developing a site on-line, and I believe, we are able to offer many features, desktop editors have, and maybe some, that desktop editors don't have